NATO in times of war: Security at all costs? | To The Point

"One for all, and all for one"—that was NATO’s promise. But does it still hold? The alliance is gearing up for the biggest rearmament in its history.
NATO wants its members to spend 5% of their national economic output on defense. Donald Trump is pushing hard for Europe to step up—but is he leading by example? He’s taken unilateral military action in Iran and even threatened to pull the U.S. out of NATO altogether. Meanwhile, Russia keeps bombing Ukraine and waging cyber and propaganda battles across Europe.

On To the Point we ask: NATO in times of war: Security at all costs?

Our guests: Sarah Pagung is a security expert and Program Director for International Affairs at Germany’s Körber Foundation.
Christoph v. Marschall, is the diplomacy correspondent to the Editor-in-Chief and former Washington correspondent for Berlin’s daily Tagesspiegel.
and Martin Sklenár is the head of GLOBSEC’s Future of Security Program and former Minister of Defense of Slovakia, he joins us from Bratislava.

00:00 Opener
02:05 How NATO will develop its capabilities
02:42 Europe’s need for self-defense
05:20 America and Europe seek a new role in NATO
06:40 Explainer: NATO and the five percent
08:10 Slovakia will agree to the five percent spending target
10:09 Is NATO divided?
11:40 Why money doesn't buy military capabilities
12:30 Europe’s enormous time pressure
13:39 Will Russia attack NATO?
14:50 Explainer: The era of solo warfare?
17:20 The current situation in the Middle East
18:50 “Nobody cares what Europe says about Iran”
21:04 Instability in the Middle East might threaten Europe
22:35 The cracks in NATO’s unity
24:04 Germany’s mental shift
25:05 Could Russia soon attack a NATO country?

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Post from DW News on June 26, 2025

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